Kev: I thought I said how it makes that selfish in the very post you are responding to. In making the choice to do what you did, you weighed the consequences. Whether you did this conciously or not it is simply human to weigh the consequences before making a decision. And it is also human to choose the action which you have come to the conclusion will make you more comfortable living in the world you live in. And we all live in a different world because we try to make sense of it with the info we have. We all have different info, therefore we live in different worlds and will make different decisions. When I say the "world" we live in, I mean how we evaluate things, and we all evaluate different things differently. So when I say your choice was selfish, I mean in your own best interest in some way or another, and not just necessarily in a way that's plain to see as in she get's the lollipop and I don't, but you feel better because you gave her the lollipop. It's consistent with the "nice-guy" way you see yourself, and subconciously you decided that was more valuable to you than few minutes of lolli-pop goodness. So I'm trying to explain my stance the best I can, you don't have to agree, this wouldn't be any fun if we all agreed, but at least let me know if I'm getting my point across so that it's somewhat understandable. When I say selfish I don't mean BAD!!! I mean it's human to do things with our self interest in mind, frankly i think it's impossible to do while in the human mindset. I do think it's possible to go beyond that mindset, but that's a whole other huge topic.

Tim: I would not consider you a martyr, I would more likely consider you an idiot, but that'd just be my opinion which of course I would be entitled to. :)