Cahlen: my whole point is that it would be stupid for me to do that, and I don't think you'd be alone in thinking that. As for cliff's point, it is the WHOLE point of right vs. wrong. It is not off subject, it is a defence to a no-truths world. Cliff's point was that over every religion and group of people there is a right, such as saving the child, and a wrong, killing the child. You said that there was no universal right and wrong. If you take the discussion from the internet, what will the internet have to look forward to reading?:)

sorry, I'll get off my high horse now:(

oops, I fell back on, also, your definition for selfishness is too broad. Self-interest is a better way of phrasing what you are trying to say, I think.

and now for a definition lesson
Selfish: Caring supremely or unduly for one's self; regarding one's own comfort, advantage, etc., in disregard, or at the expense, of those of others. (it's the second part of that you are not taking into account, because not all self-interest is in disregard or expense of others.

self-interest \Self`-in"ter*est\, n. Private interest; the interest or advantage of one's self. - Although this is only one deifinition. and basically in other definitions it's the same thing as selfishness.

As far as your good vs. evil. The point is there are millions of choices a day that don't cause other people harm that we may choose on a whim. (where I'm eating lunch and shit like that.) I don't think selfish is the best term you could have chosen for this discussion. Especially if you wanted people to listen to your point.